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Drastic shake up to the Stoke North Constituency including Tunstall and the splitting of Burslem


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The governments boundary commission has outline a number of radical proposals to trim over 50 MP's from the United Kingdoms government.

One of these changes will see the old Stoke-North constituency being replaced, rejigged and bound more closely with Newcastle-under-Lyme wards.

Where the old Stoke North Constituency was made up of 4 wards from Newcastle Borough Council and 10 from Stoke-on-Trent City Council, the new shake up will introduce more wards from the North of Newcastle Under Lyme, including Madeley, Halmerend, Audley and Bignall End, Chesterton, Holdich, Porthill, Bradwell.

From my own experience dealing with one council has been a nightmare, dealing with three will leave any MP run ragged.

Burslem has been sliced in two by these proposals, leaving it with a disjointed future as MP's work against each other, or leaving it with two MP's actively working together working for the future of the area. However it pans out whole communities are being ripped apart with these new outlines based purely on mathematics, and as the boundary commission not politics.

One major error made by the boundaries commision was it reported the wards from Stoke-on-Trent inaccuratly just some 6 months after than body made the changes to the Stoke-on-Trent wards. As you will see the wards of Tunstall (as it is on the map), Burslem and Chell and Packmoor have changed politically quite a bit since then.

The name for the constituency will be Kidsgrove and Tunstall. 

Joan Walley serving Labour MP since 1987 said:

New boundaries have no regard to the local areas" 

"The only consideration is a mathematical one.

"That's not the best way about getting a parliamentary democracy.

"People know and belong and feel attached to the areas that they come from.

"It strikes me that changing the boundaries in this way is really diminishing the role of Stoke-on-Trent.

"Local people do have a sense of belonging - that's what we're about in this city."

 


What do you think?

2011 Stoke North

This is how the ward Stoke North Constituency looks <above>

Future of Stoke on Trent North Ward

This is how the boundaries commission see the the future of Stoke North, with wards from the North of Stoke-on-Trent and Newcastle Councils's joining up <above>

 Kidsgrove and Tunstall CC   75,352  
Political Party Council Ward Council Population

Labour

Audley and Bignall End NEWCASTLE-UNDER-LYME BOROUGH 4,694

Conservative & Labour

Bradwell NEWCASTLE-UNDER-LYME BOROUGH 4,970  

Labour

Butt Lane NEWCASTLE-UNDER-LYME BOROUGH  4,349  

Labour

Chesterton NEWCASTLE-UNDER-LYME BOROUGH 5,475  

Lib Dem

Halmerend NEWCASTLE-UNDER-LYME BOROUGH 3,038  

UKIP & Labour

Holditch NEWCASTLE-UNDER-LYME BOROUGH 3,366  

Labour

Kidsgrove NEWCASTLE-UNDER-LYME BOROUGH 5,255  

Lib Dem

Madeley NEWCASTLE-UNDER-LYME BOROUGH 3,419  

Labour & Conservative

Newchapel NEWCASTLE-UNDER-LYME BOROUGH 2,801  

Conservative

Porthill NEWCASTLE-UNDER-LYME BOROUGH 3,229  

Labour & Conservative

Ravenscliffe NEWCASTLE-UNDER-LYME BOROUGH 3,372  

Conservative & Labour

Talke NEWCASTLE-UNDER-LYME BOROUGH 3,206  
 No Such Ward Burslem North CITY OF STOKE-ON-TRENT 9,131  

 No Such Ward

Chell and Packmoor CITY OF STOKE-ON-TRENT 9,211  

 No Such Ward

Tunstall CITY OF STOKE-ON-TRENT 9,836  

 

     

NEWCASTLE wards made up of 47174 people and Stoke-on-Trent wards made up of 28178

Comments

timdiggles's picture

It's an odd one this. The new

It's an odd one this. The new boundaries will mean fairly equal constituencies all over the country, but they take very little regard of 'communities'. The needs of Tunstall are very different to the needs of Madeley. Already our constituency covers 3 different local authorities which means that issues to be dealt with by the MP are very different. We have an excellent MP in Joan Walley but whether she could carry that over in the more rural part of the new boundaries is hard to know. From what I have seen in the press today the changes will probably mean a Tory government for at least 2-3 more elections.
It reminds me a bit of the Poll Tax, which on paper was fair to all, i.e. everyone paid the same whatever their income or household circumstance. However good that looked on paper it was not fair, the millionaire living alone in a mansion paid the same as each individual living in a terrace house. It was unworkable. This looks a bit like that. Over many years MP's constituencies have reflected the communities they represent, of course these have changed, less people live in the city centres than the edges of cities, and there have been many minor changes to reflect this. This major change appears to be as much politically motivated as it is to equalise constituencies.
The changes in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland will be even greater, their representation in a Parliament for all of Great Britain lessened and will call into question the future of the Union.
I suppose the question that needs to asked and answered is whether we want less MP's and fewer and less representative constituencies. These changes will make Tory governments almost inevitable for nearly a generation and smaller parties such as the Greens and probably the LibDems will be squeezed out. The only truly fair way would be a proper system of proportional representation, but then we would lose constituencies altogether and have a panel of MPs representing the area.
Difficult isn't it?

Sue V's picture

I think this is going to

I think this is going to cause us no end of problems, how I see it Newcastle will not want to bother with us and the City are up to their necks in trying to sell us Hanley as the "The City of the future" so who do we go to for our slice of the financial pie that comes out of local government.
It makes me think did Mike Wolf know all of this when he did his talk as he never mentioned any future plans for the Tunstall area?. What chance of the 6 towns surviving now?, by the look of the map its down to 4 and a 1/2.

markymark's picture

This is a national campaign

This is a national campaign by Cameron as he knows he won't get into power again unless he steals it and makes it easier for his party.

he has just helped get rid of a dictator in Libya yet he is a dictator in his own country. He was wrong to get involved in Libya he was wrong to make so many cuts to public sector workers he was wrong to employ Andy Coulson, he has been wrong to say biggest budget deficit in peacetime, well forgive me if I'm wrong but we have been at war since 2003 he can't even get that right.

The seat of Stone & Newcastle will go to 1 so you can imagine that Paul Farrelley will be out and Tory boy will get the nod this is nothing short of an outrage I'm surprised the country hasn't got up in arms about it.

JoanMP's picture

I want constituents to know

I want constituents to know about changes that are happening to parliamentary constituencies and what it will mean for us here in Stoke-on-Trent North.

The Coalition Government has introduced a Bill that will result in radically changed constituency boundaries. The proposals will mean that Stoke-on-Trent North constituency will be radically re-modelled and, in my view, not for the better. The proposals get rid of Stoke-on-Trent North as a parliamentary constituency and replace it with a new constituency called Kidsgrove and Tunstall. This new constituency will split Burslem into two, and will take in wards from Newcastle Borough such as Bradwell, Porthill, Madeley, Audley and Halmerend. Existing parts of the constituency such as Burslem South, Norton and Bradeley will move into a different constituency- Stoke-on-Trent Central.

I am very concerned about these changes as they take no account of local identities, concentrating instead purely on mathematical calculations. Here in Stoke-on-Trent we are very proud of our 6 towns and the very distinct identities that exist throughout the city. It makes little sense to me to split Burslem into two and also group places such as Fegg Hayes and Chell with Madeley and Halmer End for example. It also means that Stoke-on-Trent would not have a united voice, making it hard to represent the needs of the city in parliament.

The plans are subject to public consultation and I am encouraging anyone interested in this to make their views known. I will be making a submission in favour of retaining the links between Tunstall and Burslem and the travel-to-work area from Kidsgrove and Biddulph and I am asking if you will make your views known too.

The closing date for submissions is the 5th December so if you would like to do so please write to the Boundary Commission for England, 35 Great Smith Street, London SW1P 3BQ or E-mail reviews@bcommengland.x.gsi.gov.uk before that date.

If you have any ideas or would like to discuss this with me in more detail please do get in touch: walleyj@parliamenet.uk constituency office telephone number: 01782 577900.

Web Monkey's picture

A concern I have, especially

A concern I have, especially with the 1 city no towns approach that seems to becoming the defacto way of thinking for our council is that the North of Stoke-on-Trent doesn't seem to be considered highly by many departments in Stoke-on-Trent City Council, and this will just compound the issue further.

If the Boundary commission had removed one constituency in Stoke, and created a North & South from the areas I would have been fine with that.

What relevance do Madeley, Halmerend have with Burslem and Tunstall and vis versa?

Why split a town like Burslem that is deepest of deep s**t, would two MP's help it's worries, leave the job to the other, or fight night and day and never resolve a thing.

Web Monkey's picture

Martin Garner during the last

Martin Garner during the last council meeting put forward this motion

Consideration was given to the 2013 review of Parliamentary Constituencies initial proposals consultation document, as published by the Boundary Commission for England (BCE) on 13 September 2011 for a period of 13 weeks, ending on 5 December 2011.

The City Council was advised that the 2013 review took account of new rules laid down by Parliament, which reduced the number of constituencies in England from 533 to 502 (of which two were specifically reserved for the Isle of Wight).

 

The proposals had been produced on a regional basis, with Stoke-on-Trent being in the West Midlands Region and, under the new rules, the City did not have a sufficient number of electors to allow three parliamentary constituencies to be created within its boundary. 

 

Initial proposal maps for a Stoke-on-Trent Central, a Stoke-on-Trent South and a Kidsgrove and Tunstall Constituency were submitted.

 

Councillor M.Garner moved and Councillor Hassall seconded:-

 

i)        That the delegation to Licensing and General Purposes Committee be withdrawn in relation to this matter.

 

ii)      That the consultation document be noted.

 

iii)     That this Council is concerned about the effects of Government plans to reduce the number of MPs from 650 to 600, the result of which will be to reduce local representation, diminish community identity and blur accountability.

 

The legislation pushed through Parliament means that achieving mathematical equality in constituency sizes appears to be more important than common sense; more important than community ties and more important than promoting a close relationship between MPs and their constituents which makes for good representation.

 

Not only are these proposals ill-conceived, they are being rushed through without adequate consultation. The Boundary Commission has set aside just two days to discuss the proposals for the whole of Staffordshire with local people.

 

Stoke-on-Trent City Council objects to the proposed Stoke-on-Trent Central and Kidsgrove & Tunstall constituencies. They divide Burslem, the mother town of Stoke-on-Trent, and result in a constituency which has no sense of cohesion and forces together a section of the north of the city with parts of the town of Newcastle which are separate communities and should not be combined with Stoke-on-Trent.

 

The Council therefore authorises the Leader and Cabinet to prepare and submit a response to the Boundary Commission for England based on these objections, together with an alternative to the proposed constituencies, and asks that a report on the action taken be submitted to the City Council in due course.

 

Following a debate on the motion, it was moved by Councillor Brown that a recorded vote be taken and this was supported by more than 18 members present and voting at the meeting.

 

The outcome of the recorded vote was as follows:-

 

For the motion:- Lord Mayor; Councillors Ali, Aumir, Banks, Bridges, Clarke, Crowe, Day, Dutton, Fry, J. Garner, M. Garner, Gratton, Hamer, Hassall, Hill, Hussain, Kallar, Khan, Knapper, Meredith, Pender, Pervez, Pitt, Platt, Reynolds, Shotton, Rosenau, Walker, Wanger, Watson, Wazir, Wedgwood, Wheeldon and Wilcox.

Against the motion:-Councillors Brereton, Brown, Conway, Hayward, James and Ward.

Abstained:- Councillors Breeze and Conteh. 


Ian norris's picture

I'm sorry but where was this

I'm sorry but where was this outcry during local ward changes?

Our Local Council couldn't even submit a response to the consultation on those boundary changes, now it wants to remove committee powers and given them soley to Leader and Cabinet.

Where the democracy in that at least committees are cross party, but now just leader and his chosen few.

So there scared Stoke might not be the Safe Labour vote any more.

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Richard's picture

I think we need a little more

I think we need a little more information on this particular topic.

Joan Whalley has given us the Labour parties point of view of this debate. It it possible to get some sort of input from the coalition parties to state why they believe this is a good thing.

We cannot allow the council to get their way on this one though as they will always push to keep their jobs.

Web Monkey's picture

Member of Parliament and a

Member of Parliament and a Councillor are separate entities Rich, councillors aren't going to lose their jobs. A handfull of MP's might. The councillors are involved because they are worried about splitting Burslem in two.

The other question we've got to ask ourselves is this, would we be better off under the Tories or the Lib Dems than under Labour (with a 60 year track record).

Here is the commissions report for the West Midlands: http://goo.gl/VrfET

Here's a word from the Lib Dems http://davidbecket.mycouncillor.org.uk/

Newcastle Borough Council has voted to oppose the Boundary Commission proposals to merge part of the Newcastle Constituency with Stone and part (including this ward) merged with Tunstall and Kidsgrove.

The motion to oppose the Boundary Commission was proposed by Cllr Eddie Boden (Labour) and seconded by Cllr David Becket (Lib Dem). It received support from Lib Dem, Labour and UKIP councillors. Apart from one Tory who abstained the Tories voted to accept the Boundary Commission proposals.

The next step is to produce an alternative proposal that meets Boundary Commission criteria in respect of constituency size, and to take into account changes forced on other constituencies.

David has produced a draft proposal for the Lib Dems and Labour have produced an almost identical proposal (There is basically only one option).

Both our proposals resolve the other contentious issue, the suggestion that central Burslem should be divided across two constituencies.

We hope shortly to mount a campaign based on one proposal.

David has also put forward and alternative (this is from a Newcastle Under Lyme perspective BTW)
http://davidbecket.mycouncillor.org.uk/files/2011/10/Boundary-Figurespdf...

Richard's picture

I take your point that Labour

I take your point that Labour have a 60 year track record in this area. However, I would state that the past 20 years have not been a good record with the pottery industry going to the wall and not being replaced by any other major industry.

My recent dealings with our local MP have shown that they are more interested in party politics than helping the local people.

Perhaps it is time for a change...

Ian norris's picture

Or are Councillors involved

Or are Councillors involved as there scared of losing there Labour MPs, they often use have a Labour MP and Labour councillor as plus point during elections.

thanks for newcastle link

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markymark's picture

This is the Torys way of

This is the Torys way of holding onto power this is not democracy its purely driven on self centred government that know they wont get in for a life time after this term.
I feel very strongly about it & I hope that this motion is defeated and they are told where they can stick this.

Cameron is a dictator nothing short of it. He needs to be made aware that we know what he is up to.

terry turbo's picture

Labour/Conservatives/Liberals

Labour/Conservatives/Liberals are the three tails on the same pig.
Pull any one you get the same result while the front end keeps shovelling in the food (our money) from the trough.
There is no difference in their tactics.
As Ian has stated look to the boundary changes that favoured a Labour victory.
Democracy is a foreign concept to these three party's.
Their bank accounts take precedence over the public's needs.
As for their sixty year track record, well look around at the city?
Goering could not have done a better job.

Web Monkey's picture

That's two mentions of the 60

That's two mentions of the 60 year track record. Please don't think I was complimenting them.

terry turbo's picture

W/M Its certainly a record

W/M Its certainly a record they can't shout about.

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