Tunstall Alcohol Restriction Zone expanded to cover areas outside the Town Centre - Tunstall Park, Bankeyfields Park, Cemetery
Comments about the scheme can be submitted in writing to Safer City Partnership, Town Hall, Civic Centre, Glebe Street, Stoke-on-Trent, ST4 1HH or by email at safer.citypartnership@stoke.gov.uk.
Last week several meetings were held to try and put Tunstall back on track after groups started forming in town drinking from the early hours and generally bringing the town to low levels. In the past few months record amount of calls were made to the police ranging from complaints about language, intimidation, drunken behaviour, litter and so on. Complaints that weren't being made before their arrival earlier this year.
The first meeting on Monday was to discuss the mini mart on Tunstall High street by the roundabout, after businesses and residents pinpointed that shop in particular as fuelling the problem by selling strong drink from early hours.
Some proposals were put to the mini mart from the licensing committee such as labelling drink, going on refresher courses, have their CCTV appraised every two weeks, stop groups of more than two people forming out side premisses. However the committee weren't able to reduce the shop's selling hours or stop it from selling hi strength booze due to the lack of evidence presented.
A second proposal was also put forward which comprised of a Tunstall Town Alcohol Restriction Zone and past last week. The ARZ gives police discretionary powers to confiscate drink from anyone with it in public.
It's not clear what those powers are yet, but in other cities across England these basics tennets are in force.
The police (and Community Safety Officers accredited through a community safety accreditation scheme), have powers to control the consumption of alcohol within the designated area. If they believe someone is consuming alcohol or intends to consume alcohol they can:
- require them to stop; and
- confiscate alcohol from people whether the drinking vessel is unopened or not.
- If someone, without a reasonable excuse, fails to comply with the officer's request they are committing an offence and further action can be taken:
- a penalty notice for disorder of £50;
- arrest and prosecution for a level 2 fine (max £500);
- bail conditions can be used to stop the individual from drinking in public.
DPPOs are but one of a number of tools used by Local Authorise to combat anti-social behaviour.
Expansion of the ARZ out of the Town Centre and into Parks & Cemeteries
One of the biggest fears about zones like this is that they will push problems onto either other towns, or out of the town centre and to other places.
Martin Garner, Councillor for Goldenhill and Sandyford which includes areas that could be affected such as Tunstall North area and Bankeyfields Openspace said.
"A report on the proposed Tunstall Alcohol Restriction Zone went to the Council's Licensing Committee last week.
I was initially concerned that the report presented to councillors lacked both quantity and quality of supporting evidence, and the zone itself was too tightly drawn around Tunstall meaning that problems concerning alcohol misuse could be displaced to surrounding areas.
However, I spoke and voted in favour of the report and in response to my concerns and those of other councillors the proposed zone has been extended to take in a wider area, including the top section of Tunstall and the Bankeyfields estate.
I would urge anyone with views on the proposed Alcohol Restriction Zone to respond to the council's consultation before it is implemented."
Areas outside the Town Centre but effected by drink related ASB that are now covered by the new zone will also benefit as police currently only have the powers to confiscate alcohol from groups if they are underage, now they can remove all drink if they suspect that trouble will occur due to youths being intoxicated.
Magic Wand
This isn't a magic wand though that the police and council can wave that will make outdoors drinking and the trouble that goes with it disappear over night. The police have had massive cuts placed on them over the past two years, and as this is a enforcement power, it will only be as good as the resources available to it.
Consultation
The zone will now enter a 28 day consultation, during which there are a number of opportunities for members of the public to view the maps in more detail and to ask further questions. Currently, there are three sessions planned:
1. Sandyford Fire Station - Friday 11/11/2011 4.00pm - 8.30pm
2. Tunstall Market - Wednesday 16/11/2011 9.00am - 2.00pm
3. Tunstall Market - 18/11/2011 9.00am - 2.00pm
The Zone
Click for bigger/detailed map of Tunstall's ARZ
Suggested Articles
- Another night of drinking and glass breaking in Bankeyfields park.
- Completely ban drinking of alcoholic beverages on the streets & parks - Sign the Number 10 E-Petition - Spread the word
- Increasing amount of Drunks in Tunstall
- Glass and Dog poo in the Bankeyfields Toddler park and path UPDATE Dog poo bags shoved through the sports court (pics)
- Glass and dog poo in the Bankeyfields play area - does it really have to be this way?
- Glass and Poo disgrace




Comments
Well, looks like I will be
Well, looks like I will be the first one to be arrested for breaking these new, 'laws'. If I want to go to Tunstall park and enjoy a drink of beer there, by what right should anyone be able to stop me?
Yet another example of the hapless authorities in Stoke-on-Trent imposing draconian measures on perfectly law-abiding citizens.
The real problem is not people drinking in public, but the fact that the Potteries is overrun by thick anti-social little punks who think the rules don't apply to them.
Until our city, 'leaders' stop pandering to this element with benefits, free social housing and allowing them free reign to do whatever they like to do in the city this problem will continue.
The council has the power to get rid of these idiots out of the city but would rather let them inflict mayhem and even murder on the rest of us, rather than tackle the problem.
Arpo the police won't just
Arpo the police won't just steam in if your in the park minding your own business, but what it will do is allow them stop a problem before it happens and to stop a place becoming a hot bed for Anti-Social behaviour.
I'm all for the drinking ban in parks mate, as I'm sick to death of glass bottles being smashed in the Bankeyfields park, in areas where small kids are meant to play. See this is the flip side of the argument. If it stops my pretty little daughter of 3 having her hands, face or legs being ripped to shreds then I want that law.
Arpo, when I suggested a no
Arpo, when I suggested a no alcohol zone to councillors 3 years ago I was told what about social drinking ie,outside cafes, a glass of wine in the park and so on, and would be impossible to impose.
To me as then they were excuses from our then councillors, as other councils had introduced, and enforced no alcohol zones.
There is a world of difference between people who are social drinkers who behave when drinking, and those who cause mither to those around them, or are too young to drink.
It should be a matter of the common sense approach by the law.
Also the licenses dished out to all and sundry to sell alcohol should be yearly reviewed, and anyone caught selling alcohol to underage children their licenses withdrawn immediately.
There are too many outlets for the sale of alcohol in Tunstall, at the moment.
All outlets should be marking
All outlets should be marking their bottles with the shops stamp so that RA's and community groups stand a chance when trying to sort ASB issues out.
I agree with this suggestion
I agree with this suggestion about outlets stamping their bottles with the shop name. This would be a great way to identify shops selling to under age drinkers. I also think that there is too much cut price alcohol available too easily. It is a shame that the shops responsible for selling the drink aren't also held responsible for clearing away all the empty beer cans and bottles left behind. Our streets, hedgerows, parks, playgrounds and Sustrans cycle path route around the city would all look cleaner without this trash being left lying around anywhere.
LV
Well said LVSH3 although its
Well said LVSH3 although its too much like common sense to be put forward.
Its still a good idea.
This is a great idea.
This is a great idea. However, I am sure that those shops who know that they sell underage drinkers or to people on behalf of underage drinkers will appose the idea.
Traceability and accountability is what is required now...
A topic for the
A topic for the local/citywide forums I think. The council keep asking us what as RA's.
Well having groundhog day with Anti Social Behaviour fcaused by booze over and over and over again is something that needs to looked into more closely.
This could certainly be an
This could certainly be an advantage in the fight against vandalism, and drunkeness.
It needs bringing up at one or all of the meetings.
The spirit and the hard work
The spirit and the hard work of people wanting to tackle this problem should be applauded but measures such as banning alcohol drinking in public will do no good.
What will be next, speed bumps ten feet apart on every road? Or maybe banning all cars off the road because the Potteries is overrun by psychopathic boy-racers who are allowed with impunity to drive how they feel like?
We all have to stand up to these no-hopers and get them out of the city. Your council treats the legal majority in this city with nothing but contempt and hides behind the settee when it comes the difficult decisions.
These are the sort of people that Stoke-on-Trent council welcomes to the city, people and pays for their lifestyle.
http://www.thisisstaffordshire.co.uk/Victim-suffer-rest-life/story-12486...
http://www.thisisstaffordshire.co.uk/search/search.html?searchPhrase=man...
It's these same people that will still buy the super-brew at nine o'clock in the morning. Only now they will scurry down an alley to drink it, then carry on with there campaign of thuggery and mayhem.
Arpo, I can see where you are
Arpo, I can see where you are coming from, and I don't want the council poking its nose into all my buisness.
I don't have a problem with people drinking outside pubs, or in the park socialy, but at ten in the morning while abusing passers by is totaly out of order.
I totaly agree with your statement about the council
For those skipping straight
For those skipping straight to the comments please be aware of the consultation events
1. Sandyford Fire Station - Friday 11/11/2011 4.00pm - 8.30pm
2. Tunstall Market - Wednesday 16/11/2011 9.00am - 2.00pm
3. Tunstall Market - 18/11/2011 9.00am - 2.00pm
I see Spitfire Way is
I see Spitfire Way is included in the exclusion...I'd best watch myself then
LOL
I ask everyone who is
I ask everyone who is concerned to go to these meetings and make your feelings known, as only by it being drummed into "our" Councillors that we will not except plan b of a sticking plaster idea that we may have a say.
The first ARZ meeting today
The first ARZ meeting today 1. Sandyford Fire Station - Friday 11/11/2011 4.00pm - 8.30pm
Is anyone from Bankeyfields
Is anyone from Bankeyfields going over to the firestation to support this?
How will you know that you
How will you know that you are in an alcohol free zone will it be sign posted or are they just going to put signs up in the problem area’s that already exist like Bankeyfields open space and Tunstall high street.
I'm not sure mate but it's a
I'm not sure mate but it's a good question.
I went along to Friday's session and they answered loads of questions.
One thing that I didn't realise is if you are in support of this, you need to write in otherwise people that have problems with the whole ARZ opinions will write in and in no one writes then the council can only assume that no one wants it.
Some people have suggested that an ARZ over the Bankeyfields park would lower house prices. The ARZ here is to stop the movement of the problem from one area, to another near by area.
We've also got to consider the existing issues on the park, or any park. They aren't different from any where else so by giving the police that extra bit of power by taking off a unnecessary shackle they can make our area safer. If anything I'd consider it to be a positive but Jenny from Safer City Partnership will be contacting a few estate agents for their opinions.
Tunstall Market - Wednesday 16/11/2011 9.00am - 2.00pm
Tunstall Market - 18/11/2011 9.00am - 2.00pm
Cheers Web monkey going to
Cheers Web monkey going to nip down the market and ask the question.
W/M don't know what happened
W/M don't know what happened to my post but here goes again.
If our licensing committee were not so willing to hand out licenses willy nilly to all and sundry, and were more firm on those that broke the laws, we would not need ARZs would we.
I feel sorry for the police because this tide created by the laxt licensing Authority will just flood the police in the comming time of usual high crime "Christmass", and they will be overwhelmed by it.
The availabity of alchohol on every street corner is rediculous.
They cannot see that more alchohol=more crime.
Hiya Terry, your's was the
Hiya Terry, your's was the first comment of the day so not sure what happened, I'm going with user error or using internet explorer
The need for this law in it'self is ridiculous. Why shackle the police like this in the first place.
Ah so you say I'm useless on
Ah so you say I'm useless on this thing hey LOL
You are dead right.
Totaly agree W/M, other areas if you are caught drinking and causing a nuisance the ale is poured down the drain, but here the excuses come thick and fast from our council, as usual.
I feel that this ARZ is a
I feel that this ARZ is a good thing. I am sorry if some people think that it is an infingement on their rights not to be able to drink in the park and in other places, but to be honest is their any need to be drinking in the park?
I love a beer but dont feel the need to walk around or visit public places to extend my pleasures of beer and wine to others in these areas. My front room and garden do me just nicely.
I am sorry to say that drinking in public as such has become and I must say, not quite treated as antisocial as smoking in public areas.
OK it's another restrictian but upon us, through people who can not respect others, but this ARZ, I am sure does not make a big change to the way, people who are reading this, make's to their lives.
Now we live in a democracy and everyones voice is heared, however, the majority want this ban and like it or not, that is democracy. Shimples!
It seems the Spin doctor as
It seems the Spin doctor as been at work again.
The Sentinel this morning carried a story of two shops supplying alcohol to under age children, which promptly disappeared to be replaced by an advertisement of a Socialist meeting in Hanley.
How many times as this happened?
Very fortunate for our Licensing Committee, which at the present is dishing Licenses out "because they can't refuse" as I was informed.
If a shop selling alcohol to kids is just told to "improve their staff training" as a punishment "whats the point"?
This is a farcical situation where literally anyone can apply for a license.
Which brings me to the ARZ.
What is the point when there is no punishment?
How many shops will end up selling alcohol, as there is a large profit?
Who will have the bottle to end this farce?
Sales to underage children brings nothing but a warning.
The two shops caught were not even fined.
How pathetic is that.
They should have had their licenses revoked and been fined, but our toothless Licensing Committee are powerless.
So why are they there?
Surely the shops could buy their licenses at the nearest off license and dispose of the cost of the committee?
I've had some Information for
I've had some Information for residents worried about house prices being affected by this ruling sent over by Jenny from the Safer City Partnership. It's a genuine concern, so hopefully this helps.
Chris at Reeds Rains said that when valuing a property that they would be looking at the surrounding area for amenities and also the crime figures in the area. He advised that in the long term, if the ARZ improved the crime figures - this may improve the area.
Tom at Follwells advised that this is not something that they would specifically take account of, they may take it as an indication of antisocial behaviour in the area. But on the whole, they would consider the area, rather that orders on the area.
Tony Oakman, the city
Tony Oakman, the city council’s director of adult and neighbourhood services, said: “This isn’t about making drinking a criminal offence in Tunstall, it’s about giving police officers the power to act if they feel that a problem is being caused by people drinking in a public place.
“Those drinking responsibly have nothing to worry about.”
Has anyone written to
Has anyone written to safer.citypartnership@stoke.gov.uk yet in support, against or request changes to the proposals?
Dear Ian, The Criminal
Dear Ian,
The Criminal Justice and Police Act 2001 Alcohol Consumption in Designated Public Places (Alcohol Restriction Zones)
Thank you for your email concerning the above.
I will now be able to review all comments received during the consultation period and commence the decision making process within the City Council, by preparing a report of the representations received.
The first opportunity to present the report will be in the New Year.
Legal requirements do not always lend themselves to an immediate decision and it may be necessary to complete further consultation before a final decision can be made.
Regards,
Jenny
Jenny Lawson | Safer City Partnership
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What is the problem of the
What is the problem of the drinking exactly? Surely if drunk people are disturbing the peace the police can deal with this already?
What do the Police say - Do they say they currently do not have enough power to deal with whatever the issue is?
If so, will this new rule fix this and provide the Police sufficent power to deal with?
What next, ban farting in public?
Just another step towards an nanny state.
I will not be supporting this.
I have just read the article
I have just read the article about the proposed alcohol free zone and i think there is some incorrect information there!I was born and bred in Tunstall in 1949 22 Harewood Street, No longer exists, i now live in York and we have a problem in Walmgate but it is a alcohol exclusion zone, we just call the police they come arrest the parasitic scum, (i offer no apologies) they leave their litter, human and animal faeces, spit, urine, cig butts, disgusting language, fight and we the tax payers are paying for it disgusting! They also rob people, burgle thier houses and harrass people at the ATM outside the One Stop Shop, urinate in the phone box, etc.
It is a criminal offence to sell alcohol to an obviously intoxicated person, we have successfully objected to the polish shop selling them alcohol , the one stop is owned by Tesco and they have told their employees in no uncertain terms DO NOT SELL THESE INDIVIDUALS ALCOHOL OR LOSE YOUR JOBS! Cllrs. Janet Looker and Brian Watson have been amazing, the local neighbourhood also, we are absolutely NOT having this and i am disgusted and upset that my hometown which i love is experiencing the same crap! By the way the police have the power to confiscate alcohol from anybody not just minors so that is incorrect and if they do not respond or do not confiscate ring their HQ in Stafford and threaten to sue for breach of their duty of care which is negligence we do it all the time to Newby Whiske which is the HQ of North Yorkshire useless Police it works like a dose of salts!
After all we pay their wages they work for us we do not work for them. When we say jump they say yes sir or madam how high?
I am a very proud Stokie albeit i left when i was 18 so
Tara Duck
Patricia
So what you're saying is you
So what you're saying is you won't support this incase the next step is to ban farting?
It's not being put in place so we can become a nanny state, quite the oposite, it's the nanny state that's caused so many of these problems and neutered our police so they can't even do simple policing.
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