Yes benefits should be capped at £500 but the whole benefits system needs a complete overhaul from tax credits, child benefit, mobility allowance, social security and the rest there is far too many people ripping off the state and claiming for things that they are not entitled to. People should be interviewed and assed properly before any payments are made the current system of just filling in paper work and being evaluated from the answers you give is a complete farce and anyone caught being fraudulent should be made to pay back the money even if it means selling off personal possessions. Childs allowance should be capped at two children and families should be assessed on the amount of income coming into the household
Benefits should be capped but I think £500 is to high. How many people especially in this city take home £500 after a hard weeks work ?. Not many I would wager.
Submitted by Jon Morgan on Tue, 2011/07/05 - 22:19.
i hope this opens the debate. for a long time the working men and women of this land have been paying their taxes and contributing to the economy. we work hard and long hours. we give a massive amount of the money we earn. most dont earn £26000 a year. the welfare state was a wonderful and useful social experiment that offered a life line to those that needed it.
but over the past 101 years our welfware state, although still helping those that need it, has also bred a massive underclass of people. you only have to look at bloke ranting on here a month or so back demanding he be elected as our councillor. he hasnt worked because hes got bad knees but can walk around our esates posting leaflets. he can sit at a computer and right his rants and spit bile at all and sundry, but cant work in a call centre.
cut the "wage" the underclass suck dry from the working class and make them earn a crust. there are plenty of recycling plastics and metal schemes that they could be put to work on, plenty of streets to clean, plenty of council buildings that need paint removing from.
we should have an office of back to work. and it should be targeting the long term chavites and chavlings coming through the ranks and release some of burdens on the working people.
a dear old friend of my Dad's summed it up many years ago when he said he believed that everybody should be out working and for those people whose wages didn't meet a "living wage" level should then be topped up by state in the form of benefits. this is so true and I often wonder why the government don't use this kind of system. here in the UK it's other way round. people get benefits to allow them to live at the same level as everybody else without having to work for it. makes absolutely no sense to me.
I am further infuriated by the whole welfare state system as both my sister and her husband are on benefits and have been able to buy a newer car than me and my parents told me at the weekend that my sister and her family have just upgraded their current 37inch lcd tv for a 47inch one instead. each child also have their own tv and games console in their bedrooms and because my sister can only get certain channels on Sky, also pays for Virgin Media cable to get the other tv channels she wants to watch. all at the tax payers expense as she hasn't worked since 2001.
it's very saddening as well as infuriating. my grandmother lived out her days in a beautiful care home but because the council would only stump up so much for her monthly care bills, the rest of the bills were met by my mother and aunt. my grandmother worked in a munitions factory during the second world war and we repay her by telling her she can't be looked after in a decent care home unless she pays the additional funds herself. what a sorry world we live in. I would have happily taken away my sister's benefits to enable my grandmother to live out her final years in luxury.
The trouble is, its not that clear cut. If a family has, say 10 kids and you cap their welfare it impacts the kids. Its not the kids fault their parents don't work.
The system is screwed, but the bottom line is, you cant get people off welfare and into jobs if their aren't enough free jobs in the country.
Over time, this has lead to a 'Welfare Class', kids are being brought up by parents that never worked, and so they have no aspirations to work.
It's cheaper to tax those with jobs than to build industries for the future. The UK is still increadibly rich compared to most of the world.
Imagine what the folks of most African countries would make of British Pet Hospitals, trained surgeons mending broken legs of hedgehogs and ducks, and millions of African kids die each year of basic stuff.
My point being is, be aware of our Ivory Towers, and don't generalise with the Welfare capping.
There is another part of the issue. Some peple have kids without any thought of how they are going to support them. Then they expect the state to do it. We are now in the situation where third generation families live off the state because they do not know anything else. I firmly belive that if you want benefits you should turn up to the social office every day to do some work in return for your benefits. There are plenty of things out there that need doing for the good of the wider community.
How many times have we heard people say “if I got a job I would be worse off “that’s how good the benefits system is and if you know how to play the game you’ve got no worries? There is far too many people claiming for benefits that they are not entitled to and this is a failing of the government we need a drastic overhaul of the benefits system especially mobility allowance this has got to be the most abused benefit of the whole lot.Regarding large families what ever happened to hand me downs if you did this now you would be reported to child line.
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Yes benefits should be capped
Yes benefits should be capped at £500 but the whole benefits system needs a complete overhaul from tax credits, child benefit, mobility allowance, social security and the rest there is far too many people ripping off the state and claiming for things that they are not entitled to. People should be interviewed and assed properly before any payments are made the current system of just filling in paper work and being evaluated from the answers you give is a complete farce and anyone caught being fraudulent should be made to pay back the money even if it means selling off personal possessions. Childs allowance should be capped at two children and families should be assessed on the amount of income coming into the household
Benefits should be capped but
Benefits should be capped but I think £500 is to high. How many people especially in this city take home £500 after a hard weeks work ?. Not many I would wager.
i hope this opens the debate.
i hope this opens the debate. for a long time the working men and women of this land have been paying their taxes and contributing to the economy. we work hard and long hours. we give a massive amount of the money we earn. most dont earn £26000 a year. the welfare state was a wonderful and useful social experiment that offered a life line to those that needed it.
but over the past 101 years our welfware state, although still helping those that need it, has also bred a massive underclass of people. you only have to look at bloke ranting on here a month or so back demanding he be elected as our councillor. he hasnt worked because hes got bad knees but can walk around our esates posting leaflets. he can sit at a computer and right his rants and spit bile at all and sundry, but cant work in a call centre.
cut the "wage" the underclass suck dry from the working class and make them earn a crust. there are plenty of recycling plastics and metal schemes that they could be put to work on, plenty of streets to clean, plenty of council buildings that need paint removing from.
we should have an office of back to work. and it should be targeting the long term chavites and chavlings coming through the ranks and release some of burdens on the working people.
a dear old friend of my Dad's
a dear old friend of my Dad's summed it up many years ago when he said he believed that everybody should be out working and for those people whose wages didn't meet a "living wage" level should then be topped up by state in the form of benefits. this is so true and I often wonder why the government don't use this kind of system. here in the UK it's other way round. people get benefits to allow them to live at the same level as everybody else without having to work for it. makes absolutely no sense to me.
I am further infuriated by the whole welfare state system as both my sister and her husband are on benefits and have been able to buy a newer car than me and my parents told me at the weekend that my sister and her family have just upgraded their current 37inch lcd tv for a 47inch one instead. each child also have their own tv and games console in their bedrooms and because my sister can only get certain channels on Sky, also pays for Virgin Media cable to get the other tv channels she wants to watch. all at the tax payers expense as she hasn't worked since 2001.
it's very saddening as well as infuriating. my grandmother lived out her days in a beautiful care home but because the council would only stump up so much for her monthly care bills, the rest of the bills were met by my mother and aunt. my grandmother worked in a munitions factory during the second world war and we repay her by telling her she can't be looked after in a decent care home unless she pays the additional funds herself. what a sorry world we live in. I would have happily taken away my sister's benefits to enable my grandmother to live out her final years in luxury.
The trouble is, its not that
The trouble is, its not that clear cut. If a family has, say 10 kids and you cap their welfare it impacts the kids. Its not the kids fault their parents don't work.
The system is screwed, but the bottom line is, you cant get people off welfare and into jobs if their aren't enough free jobs in the country.
Over time, this has lead to a 'Welfare Class', kids are being brought up by parents that never worked, and so they have no aspirations to work.
It's cheaper to tax those with jobs than to build industries for the future. The UK is still increadibly rich compared to most of the world.
Imagine what the folks of most African countries would make of British Pet Hospitals, trained surgeons mending broken legs of hedgehogs and ducks, and millions of African kids die each year of basic stuff.
My point being is, be aware of our Ivory Towers, and don't generalise with the Welfare capping.
There is another part of the
There is another part of the issue. Some peple have kids without any thought of how they are going to support them. Then they expect the state to do it. We are now in the situation where third generation families live off the state because they do not know anything else. I firmly belive that if you want benefits you should turn up to the social office every day to do some work in return for your benefits. There are plenty of things out there that need doing for the good of the wider community.
How many times have we heard
How many times have we heard people say “if I got a job I would be worse off “that’s how good the benefits system is and if you know how to play the game you’ve got no worries? There is far too many people claiming for benefits that they are not entitled to and this is a failing of the government we need a drastic overhaul of the benefits system especially mobility allowance this has got to be the most abused benefit of the whole lot.Regarding large families what ever happened to hand me downs if you did this now you would be reported to child line.
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